Experience is the interpretation of experience, while at the same time being the refusal of interpretation. In paradoxical language you could say that experience is the refusal of the interpretation that is experience. All of the recursions that go with this duality: the refusal of the refusal of interpretation, the interpretation of the refusal of the interpretation of refusal, and so on, are necessarily implicit, and arise as soon as you take on the experience of experiencing. On the one side you only understand by becoming the understanding, and on the other you are always outside of whatever you understand. The moment you refuse to interpret, you are taking a certain view and hence interpreting. By interpreting what is meant is seeing in a certain way, having a position in regard to X, where X can be any activity, including itself.